Stravinsky: Petrouchka, Pulcinella - Boulez

Stravinsky: Petrouchka, Pulcinella - Boulez

Dutton  CDLX-7343

Stereo/Multichannel Hybrid

Classical - Orchestral

Stravinsky: Petrouchka*, Pulcinella Suite, Scherzo fantastique, Symphonies of Wind Instruments

Paul Jacobs* (piano)
New York Philharmonic
Pierre Boulez (conductor)

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Comments (9)

Comment by Wolfspaw - November 4, 2017 (1 of 9)

I ordered this about a week ago, straight away after I saw a comment from Ubertrout. So kudos to him, and can't wait to get it which might be another week considering it's airmail from the UK. And I'm happy that it's been added to this sites database.

Comment by fausto kantiano - November 4, 2017 (2 of 9)

apart from the fact that it contains a few more works, and it's apparently multi-channel, I'm wondering whether the stereo layer is really an improvement on the DSD remastered Japanese disc that I have of this recording of Boulez's Petrushka. I'd love to read some comments on the sound quality of this Dutton disc

Comment by Wolfspaw - November 5, 2017 (3 of 9)

Is the Japanese disk an Sacd? I ask because I don't see it in the database and I could be wrong but I would bet that this Dutton release is cheaper than the Japanese release, plus you have all of the other goodies on here.

Comment by fausto kantiano - November 6, 2017 (4 of 9)

no, it's not on SACD. But Sony Japan remastered it in DSD (and then released it on redbook only). The sound is extraordinarily good, given that DSD remaster, but of course downsampled for CD, which is Japan-only (I bought it in Tokyo 7 years ago). Since this is an old analogue recording, I wonder how much more Dutton could get out of it for his SACD, apart of course from the fact that the SACD is multi-channel (so if that's your thing, this SACD is a no-brainer, as it is also rather cheap). My question purely relates to the stereo layer. I doubt that Dutton has done a better job than the Sony engineers, but the difference may of course lie in the downsampling. But I might test it myself, as the price of this SACD is right. (to be sure, I only talk about the Petrushka, which is coupled with the Sacre on the disc I refer to, so the additional works on this SACD are definitely a plus in favour of it)

Comment by ubertrout - November 7, 2017 (5 of 9)

I haven't heard many comments about the Dutton stereo layer, nor have I listened to it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's quite good...Dutton is a fairly recent player in the SACD game, but Michael Dutton has been transferring older analogue recordings for decades on CD. As you've said it's pretty cheap - if this recording is important to you then it seems like an easy choice to try it out.

Comment by fausto kantiano - November 9, 2017 (6 of 9)

just ordered it. I'll report back when I have made a comparison with the Japanese remaster I mentioned

Comment by Gilbert Burnett - November 17, 2017 (7 of 9)

I am a fan of Dutton issues of older analogue material and have now got quite a few of these Columbia/CBS and RCA quad re-incarnations including this Stravinsky disc. The transfers are all extremely good. There is a marked difference in the way the original companies approached Quadraphonic sound. Some recordings are similar to the modern style of surround with the rear channels carrying mostly ambient sound. Others place the listener more or less where the conductor would be. Columbia also favoured close miking and spotlighting. This effect is enhanced with quad resulting in pin sharp focus. The Stravinsky is one of those with lots of action from behind. This may not be what we are used to hearing but it is exciting aurally. The Mahler disc has a diagram on the cover showing the sonic layout. The effect is much like that produced by Tacet. Don't forget that on SACD you get a standard stereo mix as well if the quad sound is not to your liking and the stereo mix is very good indeed and I would think very like the original. I have read some comments about companies putting money into modern recordings instead but some of these issues are top notch performances from conductors in the top flight - Boulez, Bernstein, Levine among others and in my opinion great to have them in my collection in the best available sound. Where else will you get the NY Philharmonic in top form on SACD let alone surround sound? The Bernstein Haydn is amazing. Maybe not the latest historically correct but Bernstein was the master of drama and there is plenty on show and very thrilling.
I really urge people to support this project. Just try one! This Stravinsky disc, for a number of reasons is a good place to start.
Could we not also have the EMI quads one day?

Comment by Wolfspaw - November 17, 2017 (8 of 9)

I received this disc a couple of days ago and haven't had the chance to hear it yet...I hope to have time this weekend.

Per Gilbert's comment above, this old Sony/Columbia SACD with Boulez and the NY Phil, Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra, Miraculous Mandarin - Boulez was one of the earliest SACD's and the cover shows the placement of the Quad speakers and placing the listener in the center of the performance, however I believe it was remixed to 5.0 by Sony.

I'll add that you can count me as someone who likes the discrete multi-channel recordings, it certainly reminds me of being in my middle school band. And to echo Gilbert, it's interesting how in the 25 or 30 years between Quad and newer digital recording techniques that there was a rethinking about how to use the surround speakers.

Comment by Wolfspaw - November 19, 2017 (9 of 9)

I liked this very much. The Petrouchka recording uses surround channels in an ambient manner and the other recordings are certainly more discrete and the sound itself is very good and I am very happy to have this.