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Beethoven: Symphonies 5 & 7 - Kleiber

Beethoven: Symphonies 5 & 7 - Kleiber

Esoteric  ESSG-90190

Stereo Hybrid

Classical - Orchestral


Beethoven: Symphonies 5 & 7

Wiener Philharmoniker
Carlos Kleiber (conductor)

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Comment by Steven Harrison - December 19, 2018 (1 of 10)

And now these famous recordings have been remastered and released by Esoteric. The sound quality is good here with the 7th symphony sounding really good. I've had every issue of these on LP, rbcd, and sacd. I like this one the best.

Comment by Contrapunctus - June 7, 2020 (2 of 10)

This new dsd remaster is a wonderful surprise and pleasure!

Compared to the SHM-SACD this new remaster differs remarkably. The main sound impression is somewhat darker with less treble. Room accoustics also changed significantly: reverb, that was still present on the SHM-SACD, has now been eliminated. So, the old recordings do sound now a bit more direct. Especially in case of the 7th symphony the 'new' sound is quite impressive. (I think that Esoteric also did a total new remix of the tapes. That may explain the differences to a certain degree.)

Comment by DYB - June 10, 2020 (3 of 10)

I just bought the Japanese SHM version. Did I waste my money? Should have gone with Esoteric???

Comment by Contrapunctus - June 11, 2020 (4 of 10)

NO, DYB, you certainly didn't waste your money buying the SHM-SACD. But, as said before, the shm-sacd offers a very different view to these recordings than esoteric's sacd. The most striking differnce for me is that esoteric obviously created a new remix of the tapes. (I think, that the original tapes contain 4 or even 8 tracks - so there are a lot of possibilities creating total new/different views.)

The result on esoteric is a more direct sound with remarkably less reverb. Compared to the SHM-SACD the sound stage is a bit more limited/compressed or (saying it friendly) more compact. Sound stage (symphony 7!) on the SHM-SACD is more 'open' and airy - but also with more reverb. Speaking of reverb: I don't think that neither the SHM-SACD nor esoteric added or removed reverb. It's possibly the result of a different remix.

In case of the 7th symphony (this recording differs way more on both versions than the 5th sympony) the string section is more prominent (and 'brighter') on the shm-sacd than on esoteric (= strings appear 'darker', a bit subdued).

In the end, it's a matter of taste. Both versions (SHM-SACD and esoteric) are fascinating releases, each in it's own way.

Comment by DYB - June 15, 2020 (5 of 10)

Thank you Contrapunctus! I wonder if there'll be another new Emil Berliner remaster of this from Universal Japan since they're now doing a new round of remasters of some of their biggest recordings (like Karajan's 60s Beethoven cycle.)

Comment by hiredfox - June 17, 2020 (6 of 10)

Where do you buy the Esoteric discs?

Comment by Athenaeus - June 17, 2020 (7 of 10)

Hello Hiredfox. In North America Elusive Disc and Acoustic Sounds sell Esoteric's releases. (As I'm in Canada, that's where I usually buy them.) However, I see Kleiber's Beethoven is now sold out on these two sites. I don't know who carries their discs in Britain and Europe. You might have to go on Ebay... Another option could be Buyee; I see there's still one seller who has it new.

Comment by hiredfox - June 18, 2020 (8 of 10)

Thank you. I'll follow those leads.

Comment by Hui Zhu - June 18, 2020 (9 of 10)

I buy Esoteric releases from Ebay, sellers from Japan usually list them before release date. Price is reasonable (as pre-order) and shipping is free (now you need to pay tax though). I bought from a couple of trusted sellers and now they will ping me when there are new releases coming and asking if I'm interested.

Comment by DYB - June 19, 2020 (10 of 10)

I don't know why I never got this particular Esoteric title - I typically get them via Buyee, but you have to grab them fast (like, within days) because they sell-out almost immediately. Now eBay sellers have this Beethoven/Kleiber averaging for $100.