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Weber: Der Freischütz - Kleiber

Weber: Der Freischütz - Kleiber

Universal  4838706

Stereo

Classical - Opera


Weber: Der Freischütz

Gundula Janowitz (Agathe)
Edith Mathis (Ännchen)
Peter Schreier (Max)
Theo Adam (Kaspar)
Franz Crass (Hermit)
Siegfried Vogel (Kuno)
Bernd Weikl (Ottokar)
Günther Leib (Kilian)
Gerhard Paul (Zamiel)
Rundfunkchor Leipzig
Staatskapelle Dresden
Carlos Kleiber (conductor)

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  • 2.0 DTS HD MA 24bit/192kHz
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Comment by Dissonance - June 11, 2020 (1 of 17)

The back cover is indicating the remastering was made only at 24-bit / 96 kHz. What a pity...

Comment by Contrapunctus - June 12, 2020 (2 of 17)

If the BD actually only contains 24/96 and not 24/192, then I strongly suspect that old material from 1998 is used here. Around 1998, this recording was remastered as part of the "Originals series" - in 24/96.

It is not the first time that Universal / DG is presenting these old remasterings from the Originals era uncompressed on BD. (For the original CD editions, the 24/96 remaster had to be compressed to 16 / 44.1.)

In my opinion, whether a new Universal / DG BD release is a new, current remastering or old material can often be recognized by the fact that there is a download release in 24/192 parallel to the BD release. In many cases there are only 24/96 downloads - and therefore presumably "old" material. So also in this case.

Comment by Dissonance - June 13, 2020 (3 of 17)

BD-A has also 5.1 Surround Sound: https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/catalogue/products/weber-der-freischuetz-kleiber-11999

Comment by Frank Djeng - June 14, 2020 (4 of 17)

Not according to the back cover. Only remastered at 24/96 and there's no surround sound like DG said, just 2.0.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086PVRRYT/?tag=umgklassik-21&ascsubtag=0028948387069_B086PVRRYT_diverse+k%C3%BCnstler_remastered+for+blu-ray+audio%3A+carlos+kleiber%E2%80%99s+der+freisch%C3%BCtz_www.universal-music.de

Comment by Dissonance - June 14, 2020 (5 of 17)

Frank Djeng, I’m well aware of that. But I think DG is correct when saying the BD-A consist of also 5.1 Surround Sound; according to the sound samples available there the soundfield is much more broader to be just 2.0 stereo. Maybe it’s an printed error on the back cover?

Comment by Frank Djeng - June 14, 2020 (6 of 17)

We wouldn't know for sure until someone has actually bought this set and confirm that it's indeed in surround. That is a pretty big error if the back cover is incorrect.

The same goes for the new Karajan WALKURE. I have yet to see the back cover of that one though so I am hoping it will be in surround like DG says.

https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/catalogue/products/wagner-die-walkuere-karajan-12000?utm_source=dotmailer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=510805_DG%20NWL%20KW24-2020_237693_DE&dm_i=53EL,AY51,2S9SHQ,15430,1

Comment by Dissonance - June 14, 2020 (7 of 17)

As this was (and still is) the first 8-channel (opera) recording production by Emil Berliner Studios back then, there well could have been the material for 5.1 Surround Sound mix.

Comment by Paul Hannah - June 15, 2020 (8 of 17)

I have just order this from Presto...............so stay tuned and I well let everyone know if it 24/96 24/192 stereo or 5.1

Comment by Dissonance - June 15, 2020 (9 of 17)

I pre-ordered this from Presto a couple of weeks ago, should arrive this week.

Comment by Jan Arell - June 16, 2020 (10 of 17)

This is what DG actually writes at their website:
"The second of two landmark DG recordings remastered and re-released today, Erich Kleiber’s Der Freischütz by Carl Maria von Weber was also remastered in 24 bit/192kHz. It is presented on Blu-ray Audio in DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0, 5.1 Surround Sound plus 2 CDs produced from the new mastering."

Note that they name Erich Kleiber instead of his son Carlos. Maybe the info about 5.1 is wrong too.
I looking forward to reports from you who have ordered it.

Karajan's Walküre is also said to be in 5.1.

Comment by Dissonance - June 16, 2020 (11 of 17)

It’s more understandable to slip up only with one word (Erich) instead of the full part of a sentence (5.1 Surround Sound). I'm hoping the BD-A will consist of surround sound option as this album was recorded on that way and therefore would really benefit as such on the new high-resolution remastering.

Comment by Frank Djeng - June 18, 2020 (12 of 17)

Just got confirmation that the Karajan WALKURE is also 2.0, not 5.1, so it's the same 24/96 encoding/remastering from the previously released complete RING set. The back cover can be seen on Amazon.de (see link below). Very disappointing to say the least and false advertising on DG's part to be honest. The reviewer is not very happy and I don't blame him/her.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B086PLBCH6?tag=hraudiode-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

Comment by Dissonance - June 28, 2020 (13 of 17)

Arrived today and sadly only in stereo, no 5.1 Surround...

Comment by Kveld-Úlfr - June 29, 2020 (14 of 17)

I've also had this title for several days now, and have checked the available audio program : 96/24 stereo only, indeed, in PCM. Clearly not in 194/24 DTS-MA as stated in the "resolution section" above.
And the back cover of the box clearly states (with caps, cannot be missed) : "REMASTERED AT 24 bit / 96 kHz".
Reporting the error.

Comment by Jan Arell - June 29, 2020 (15 of 17)

There is a contact formula at https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/company/contact
I just wrote DG an angry letter with the subject False marketing, concerning their claims that the Kleiber Freischütz and the Karajan Walküre blu-rays are in surround. I would happily have bought both if they hadn't lied.
Please, use that link and tell them what you think about this. One letter is one only, ten is a mail storm.

Edit: This is what I wrote:
On your website, you claim that the Kleiber blu-ray release of Der Freischütz is in surround. According to members of the website hraudio.net, who have bought this recording, it is in 2.0 only. You took an old remastering and transfered it to blu-ray, seemingly doing nothing else, although Der Freischütz was recorded in 8 channels.
You also claim that the blu-ray release of Karajan's Die Walküre is in surround.
I don't believe you. Not anymore.

Comment by Dissonance - July 1, 2020 (16 of 17)

Badly implemented marketing by DG’s advertising team. The high-res audio remastering was made in 2018 and is 24-bit / 96 kHz only instead of 24-bit / 192 kHz. Above all, as mentioned earlier this release would have really benefit on Surround Sound so the mistake was even multiple. Hard to understand the reasons behind production, this newcomer does not offer advantages over RBCD release (Originals) almost at all, a disappointment to pay over 25 euros for nothing...

Comment by Kveld-Úlfr - July 2, 2020 (17 of 17)

Used the above URL to DG's contact form and sent the following word :
"Dear deutsche Grammophon,
You recently released a blu-ray audio high definition remaster of Carlos Kleiber's conducting of Der Freischütz, claiming this was a multichannel release . After buying this title, I realize it is in stereo only. All other people that i know owning this title have testified the same and the internet fora members state the same. Needless to say this "marketting fraud" has disappointed a lot of people, including myself, even though one cannot deny the great quality that still honors the job you have done in stereo... all the more reason to comply with your multichanel pledge.
This has been a strain on a lot of buyers's trust to you, especially given the fact there seems to be the same deceiving regarding the Wagner's Die Walküre release. Please make it up to your loyal customers. At least some message of explanation would be appreciated.
[...]"